Pence, Harris face off in VP debate with diverging views of America

On the issue of jobs, Harris took aim at the Trump administration trade policy with China. 

“You lost that trade war. You lost it. What ended up happening is because of a so-called trade war with China, America lost 300,000 manufacturing jobs,” Harris said. “Farmers have experienced bankruptcy because of it. We are in a manufacturing recession because of it.”

Pence responded by criticizing Joe Biden’s record on China, calling him, “a cheerleader for communist China.”

“When Joe Biden was vice president, we lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs and President Obama said they were never coming back,” Pence said.

Opening the night's discussion on the economy, Harris said firmly that Biden would repeal Trump's 2017 tax cuts "on day one."

"He'll get rid of it," she said. "And what he'll do with the money is invest it in the American people and through a plan that is about investing in infrastructure, something that Donald Trump said he would do, I remember hearing about some infrastructure week, I don't think it ever happened."

"But Joe Biden will do that. He'll invest in infrastructure. It's about upgrading our roads and bridges but also investing in clean energy and renewable energy," she added.

Pence responded by attacking the state of the economy after the Obama administration and tried to tie Biden and Harris to the Green New Deal proposal.

"When President Trump and I took office, America had gone through the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression," he said. "Because when Joe Biden was president, they tried to tax and spend and regulate and bail our way back to a growing economy."

When Harris responded again during the open discussion section, she underscored that her and Biden's plan would only raise taxes on wealthy Americans. 

"We saw enough of it in last week's debate, but I think this is supposed to be a debate based on fact and truth," she said.  "And the truth and the fact is, Joe Biden has been very clear, he will not raise taxes on anybody who makes less than $400,000."

Pence argued that the Trump tax plan lowered taxes for average Americans and that a repeal would mean higher taxes for everyone, not just the wealthy.

"It would be important if you said the truth. Joe Biden said twice in the debate last week that he's going to repeal the Trump tax cuts," he said. "That was tax cuts that gave the average working family $2,000 in a tax break every single year."

Page pivoted the conversation to climate change, noting the U.S. has seen record-setting hurricanes in the South and record-setting wildfires in the West this year, setting the stakes and posing the first question to the vice president. 

"Do you believe, as the scientific community has concluded, that man-made climate change has made wildfires hotter and more deadly and hurricanes wetter and more damaging?" Page asked.

Pence didn't directly answer but warned Harris would sign the U.S. back into the Paris Climate Accord and falsely claimed Biden and Harris have committed to abolishing fossil fuel and banning fracking. 

"President Trump and I believe that the progress that we have made in a cleaner environment has been happening precisely because we have a strong free market economy," Pence said. 

Harris, once a proponent of the Green New Deal as both a co-sponsor of Sen. Bernie Sanders' bill and as a presidential candidate -- is now embracing Biden's climate plan and defended her running mate's record.

"First of all, I will repeat, and the American people know, that Joe Biden will not ban fracking. That is a fact. That is a fact," Harris began. "We have seen a pattern with this administration, which is, they don't believe in science."

"Joe sees what's happening on the Gulf states, which are being battered by storms. Joe has seen and talked with the farmers in Iowa whose entire crops have been destroyed because of floods. And so Joe believes, again, in science," Harris said, adding that a Biden-Harris administration would "re-enter the climate agreement with pride."

Page then asked if Pence agrees with Harris that climate change poses an existential threat to humans.

"As I said, Susan, the climate is changing. We'll follow the science," Pence said, before launching into an attack on Biden's tax plan.

Continuing on the theme of transparency, Page asked Harris, "Do voters have a right to know more detailed health information about presidential candidates especially when they're facing a challenge?"

Harris said "absolutely" and raised recent reporting on Trump's taxes. 

"That's why Joe Biden has been so incredibly transparent, and certainly by contrast, the president has not. Both in terms of health records, but also let's look at taxes. We now know because of great investigative journalism that Donald Trump paid $750 in taxes. When I first heard about it, I literally said, 'You mean $750,000?'" Harris said. "And it was like, 'No, $750.'" 

"We now know Donald Trump owes and is in debt for $400 million," she said, in reference to New York Times reporting. "It would be really good to know who the president of the United States, the commander in chief, owes money to because the American people have a right to know what is influencing the president's decisions and is he making those decisions on the best interest of the American people, of you, or self-interest?"

Pence defended the attack by painting Trump as a "businessman" and "job creator."

"He's paid tens of millions of dollars in taxes, payroll taxes, property taxes. He's created tens of thousands of American jobs. The president said those public reports are not accurate and the president's also released literally stacks of financial disclosures the American people can review just as the law allows," Pence said, though Trump has not released his tax returns, repeatedly saying they're under audit.